Mike - Persil Booking wrote:
after spending 2 weeks on the road in England i thought a lot about the way most promoters treat bands and compared to the rest of Europe
i said MOST not ALL, that's very important!
no free drinks, shitty food - dinner & breakfast (lucky if you get both!), accomodation = floorspace in tiny cold flats, fees are lower than in mainland, ferries cost a fortune and everything is almost double more expensive...
shitloads of free drinks, great food either take away or cooked on demand, wonderful breakfasts, comfy accomodations ( beds, large couches, sometimes entire private houses, hostels, B&B)
PS this isn't a criticism by any means, just a starting point to talk about differences among countries of the same continent. what do you think?
Well for one, things being more expensive covers some of those points - and the ferries costing a fortune and the pricing isn't really anything to do with the promoters whatsoever.
Plus it completely depends on the venues you used here and in europe for it to be a worthwhile comparison - i know i've experienced both of the examples you are listing at home and in Europe. But that's touring.
Bare in mind that a lot of promoters here really don't have the same kind of facilities that Europe does. Touring in mainland Europe, we found that most cities or places we went had a fairly stable, reliable and large-ish scene of people who turn up to gigs - a lot of British cities don't have that, and its not really the promoters fault - most of them try incredibly hard to make the best of it. Compare that with the venues too - the youth centres and social centres in Europe are complexes that are exceptionally rare in the UK for a number of reasons, behaviour of the police in shutting down attempts regularly, different local gov't actions, people's inclination etc. So for example, I have gone to venues in Europe which have been former squatted social centres which now get local government subsidy with no interference - and rarely require any kind of venue "hire" fees etc. These places are established and have the ability and money to give out drinks and food - particularly with beer, which is so so so cheap. Compare that to England where most shows have to take place in bars by necessity - often with a room charge to cover and often with a local scene that is unpredictable in terms of turn-out. I have no idea who you booked with here, but providing free drinks, two meals and even private accommodation (!!) is just completely out of the question unless there is a huge turn out.
Similarly for accommodation in general, some of the venues in Europe have places to stay built in, something we just don't have access to here. British DIY promoters, just as mainland European promoters do, have to work real hard to get things to come off - but there are load of factors here which make that job really difficult. Bearing that in mind, I'd be incredibly grateful for some people to put us on and give us a floor to sleep on - they do it by choice in often a hard atmosphere so I'd definitely feel pretty fucking bad if I was someone who had put whoever you brought over here on (was it Git Some?) reading this, and hearing my efforts poo-poo'd because they didn't live up to what you got in Europe. Deal with it.
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