ok, 3 steps back. i'll try to say everything again in a (hopefully) much clearer way
i'm not complaining about the way uk promoters treat bands, i'm just trying to figure out why most of them do things in a certain way. this's a uk board so that's why i'm here asking questions. i had a blast with git some and so all of them. some shows were great, some were ok and some other sucked, but that's how it goes everywhere. paying £2 for a coffee or £5 for a pack of smokes isn't too nice but you know..much nicer things are free highways, short distances between shows, shows 7 days a week, cheddar, cider, red beans, squash..
i'm a diy promoter myself and i know what putting on diy shows means, that's not what we're talking about. the point is, a lot of promoters across europe have to hire out venues (50-300 euros) + pay soundguys (min. 50 euros) + pay copyrights (50-100 euros) + buy food / drinks (20-50 euros), provide accomodations (sometimes those who can't house you pay you a hostel and nothing's cheaper than 15 euros x person so min 60 euros for a 4 piece band..) to do shows. if you sum all these things you can have an idea of how much the whole thing may cost.. AND without even mentioning promotional costs (flyers, posters, shippings and stuff). that's exactly what i do. hire a venue, pay a soundguy, cook dinner for all the bands or sometimes provide a buy out, buy drinks (1-2-3 crates of beer), take bands at my place, let them shower, use internet, make phone calls, use my printer if they need it.. feed them, get them breakfast in the morning. show them the town you live and so on..i, we couldn't do this..we're not obliged to do it. you do it for fun, for passion, for whatever reason you want..right? is that weird? is that science fiction? i don't think so..
we met awesome people who took really good care of us, fed us, gave us alcohol and superb hospitality (matt, liam, lil and greg in london, andy in manchester, slim & sam in leeds, daniel in plymouth, buz in brighton, the southsea diy collective in portsmouth, chris in chatham, craig in sheffield, trev and no choice dudes in wales, glyn in leicester, dean in lincoln, ross in ashford) as well as people (luckily a few) who seemed pretty cool and acted like assholes. and these things happen everytime and everywhere.england, germany, north korea or south africa. that doesn't make any difference. awesome people are awesome people everywhere and so assholes.
maybe a few free drinks, some decent food and warm place to sleep is too much..who fucking knows...
again..if you're often on the road you know what touring is about and know what to expect. i toured quite a lot in last 5 years and had either bad and good experiences.what i'm trying to say is that
it's curious to see how the idea of hospitality (and WHY) changes from country to country, that's all.
being nice and bloody thankful to those who put you on, feed you, give you a place to stay and all the rest is what punkrock to me is about.
one last time. i'm not saying you uk promoters treat bands like shit, i'm just saying that your way of treating bands is just different (YOU KNOW WHY)
..i was just trying to know the reasons WHY (NOW I KNOW IT). is that so hard to understand???
i don't drink much and never ever asked any promoters hey dude where are the free drinks? where's the food? that food sucks, buy us something else and stuff like that.
i'm italian, i know what great food is (it's the only great thing in a real fucked up country, i know what i'm talking about!!) and know how nice is getting good food after spending your day in the van, but i'm used to eat any kind of stuff when i'm abroad and i like it. never complain...i'm always thankful cause i'm a promoter myself and know what it means. different country --> different traditions. you know it you get used to it and that's cool. it's called ADAPTABILITY. isn't punkrock also about this?
treating bands = PEOPLE well, or at least the way you'd like yourself to be treated should be a priority. this's what i think.
look forward to hearing from all of you soon
where diy play in europe? everyone drinks still water mate. maybe wrong place and bit unlucky? :-)