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Jop wrote:
ianscanlon wrote:

breakfast of champions,

Sci-fi? Maybe I should finish reading this! I got bored 3/4 of the way through. If there's a sci-fi twist I'll give it another chance.

It doesn't, Breakfast Of Champions isn't a "sci fi" novel. Most of Vonnegut's aren't really (apart from his earlier ones, like Sirens Of Titan), if you're a sci-fi fan and approach him from that angle you'll probably be dissapointed. Personally, i love all his novels, he's probably my favourite writer ever....but you either love or hate his work i guess


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aramcheck wrote:

Richard Matheson's I am Legend is good as well.

Fucking yes

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THIRDED. i am legend, the definitive 20th century vampire/zombie novel. so incredible.

"My name is a killing word."

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as i said before. vernor vinge needs to be done. EPIC

i need to find a forum where i can find out what this book i read when i was younger was called/who it was by. i can only briefly remember the plot but it was amazing

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lorrie, try: http://www.librarything.com

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All the Ursula Le Guin sci fi stuff I've read has been great: The Dispossessed, Left Hand Of Darkness, Planet Of Exile, City Of Illusions. Need to get the others (Rocannon's World, The Word For World Is Forest, The Telling, Four Ways To Forgiveness)

Dune by Frank Herbert, of course. Total Classic. And The Man In The High Castle by Phillip K. Dick, not sure if thats sci fi really, though.

Other than that I'd just go with whatever henrymonkey and Maaskoorde say. Dorks.

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the best thing to do is to work your way through the Sci-Fi masterworks series. tons of awesome stuff in that. my collection is nearly complete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Masterworks

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i still need to get a few more of those sf masterworks. i've been reading too many books set in times gone by.

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OH FUCK!
ive been away from a pc for two days and a thread like this happens?

right.

clarke - a touch over rated i feel i never thought he was a great author, his writing isnt brillant but most of the stories and concepts are brilliant. i.e Rama and 2001 series, but some of his other stuff i have found disappointing.

herbert and dune - first book ace. subsequent tomes dull christian metaphor.  recent dune books by his son = shit. "the dragon in the sea"  and "destination: void" are great

bradbury - "illustrated man" and "faranheit 451" win.

asimov - ive never read any as i always get put off by the robotics stuff, is foundation less roboty?

Ballard - "myths of the near future" and "memories of the space age" are amazing bleak shorts collections

Atwood - "the handmaids tale" and "oryx and crake" are good but (further to stuff than can be found through peter watts' website below) she can get fucked.  she writes a science fiction book but then wriggles like a dying worm to avoid being called a sci-fi writer just so she can attempt to maintain a postion higher on the literary spectrum (see watts' articles) she is therefore bullshit.

Wyndam -  "triffids" is the greatest piece of sociopathic survivalist fiction ever. as yet unmentioned in this thread is his collections "the seeds of time" and "consider her ways" which are both excellent.

Brian aldiss - "non-stop" pretty dated but still excellent.

Poul anderson - "tau zero" the physics of this has now been proved wrong but the story and the concept are ace but really bleak.

fredrik vohl - "gateway" really well written novel very bleak with a crushingly bleak ending.  william gibson before unfortunately inventing cyber-punk (although neuromancer is great) wrote one of my favourite short stories "hinterlands" which having read gateway recently has been show to be a virtually copyright infringing steal.

peter watts "starfish, maelstrom, and behemoth" or the starfish trilogy and reccently "blind sight". this guy is the best science fiction writer writing today.  really technical approach to the writing, and no fear of ultra techno babble. awseome realisation of environments, and dark beyond the most stygian depths lovecraft ever imagined. not for people who like happy endings.  he has released all (i think) of his novels and short stories (which are also excellent) via  creative commons, so you dont even have to buy them if you dont want go to www.rifters.com to find them.

stephen baxter - has gone to pot reccently (see "transcendant" series) but the series of origin, time, space and phase space are great. however "titan" is his best, terrifyingly accuracte portrayily of current social outlook and subsequent near future consequences.

kim stanley robinson - red, green and blue mars.  this series is fucking incredible, so many people i know have been put off by the length, scope and lengthy passages of very little happening.  but these books can almost be called important.  also "icehenge"  is fucking awesome and could inspire my first tatoo.

lem - did he write solaris? if so he is a winner! i still have to watch the original russian version of that.

lovecraft - dont know what hes doing in this thread but he is unmatchable, "at the mountains of madness", "the call of cthulu" and "the whisperer in the dark" are the shit.  has anyone seen that film of the call of cthulu that came out last year? any cop? when someone writes with the horror of lovecraftian proportions but in a science fiction setting my life will be complete (watts' blindsight is the closest ive found)

this thread has elavated me to a new level of nerd-dom. i am satisfied

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has anyone seen that film of the call of cthulu that came out last year? any cop?

I'm not sure if it's the only one, but I saw a short film adaptation at the film fest last years done 'in the style of' German Expressionism. It had a few cool sets/costumes but the genre pastiche thing bummed me out. Also not at all scarey, unlike the story.

Unbelievable. And very brave.

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Yorkie wrote:

has anyone seen that film of the call of cthulu that came out last year? any cop?

I'm not sure if it's the only one, but I saw a short film adaptation at the film fest last years done 'in the style of' German Expressionism. It had a few cool sets/costumes but the genre pastiche thing bummed me out. Also not at all scarey, unlike the story.

Dagon is the best Lovecraft based film, even though it's a bit cheesey.

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Toby, I think some of Lovecrafts output could fall under the sci-fi umbrella, such as The Whisperers in the Darkness, although it's certainly not hardcore sci-fi as we know it. Didn't even know about the Call of Cthulhu film, although almost all Lovecraft film adaptations are complete fucking shambles.
As an aside to all the Lovecraft fans here, check out Michel Houellebecqs book on him - 'Against the World, Against Life' - smashing stuff!

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windofpain wrote:
Yorkie wrote:

has anyone seen that film of the call of cthulu that came out last year? any cop?

I'm not sure if it's the only one, but I saw a short film adaptation at the film fest last years done 'in the style of' German Expressionism. It had a few cool sets/costumes but the genre pastiche thing bummed me out. Also not at all scarey, unlike the story.

Dagon is the best Lovecraft based film, even though it's a bit cheesey.

Is that the Stuart Gordon one? I saw one by him that was either based on Dagon or the Shadow over Innsmouth but set in Spain and it was totally fucking awful!

The Ressurrected is by far the best Lovecraft film, unfortunately I seem to be the only person in the world who's seen it. Maybe I imagined it all!

By the way, hello Tom, how's tricks?

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true.
i guess i was being overly purist.
the colour from outer space should have given me pause for thought!

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MShit wrote:

Is that the Stuart Gordon one? I saw one by him that was either based on Dagon or the Shadow over Innsmouth but set in Spain and it was totally fucking awful!

The Ressurrected is by far the best Lovecraft film, unfortunately I seem to be the only person in the world who's seen it. Maybe I imagined it all!

By the way, hello Tom, how's tricks?

yeah, it's called Dagon but it's actually the Shadow Over Innsmouth story. it's awful but i love it!

who's this? i'm good thanks.

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I read At The Mountains of Madness (just the first story of the lot) and couldn't get into it... I noticed he uses certain descriptions too many times, and kept saying how truly mad the mountains were. It got a bit much.

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Oh sorry, it's Mark from Trencher.

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MShit wrote:

Oh sorry, it's Mark from Trencher.

hey Mark ... long time no see mate!

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tobytiger wrote:

Atwood - "the handmaids tale" and "oryx and crake" are good but (further to stuff than can be found through peter watts' website below) she can get fucked.  she writes a science fiction book but then wriggles like a dying worm to avoid being called a sci-fi writer just so she can attempt to maintain a postion higher on the literary spectrum (see watts' articles) she is therefore bullshit.

Yeah, I forgot to mention she normally writes "straight" literary fiction.  I get pissed off at the way genre fiction like science fiction and horror are continually marginalised, when science fiction novels have been some of the most thought provoking books I have ever read.


I wasn't keen on the modern setting for Dagon, but I quite enjoyed it nevertheless as Shadow Over Innsmouth is probably one of my favourite Lovecraft tales.  Sadly, all the Lovecraft film adaptations tend to have a reputation for being a bit crap.  I'd rather just read the stories under my duvet with a torch.

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argh, all you stopcocks pretty much pre-empted me! Nice to see some fellow geekazoids here though. I like sci-fi because although it does share fantasy's leap into the unknown, at least it does play by the rules and involves some basis in reality, which is always harder to write. And it's always IDEAS led, and that appeals to me. In fact, in Arthur C Clarke's case, he actually came up with several notions that came to fruition (e.g. multi-stage rockets to get into the atmosphere).

Toby - read Asimov for christ's sake. I've read it all (his fiction anyway, not decided to delve into his 300 or so chemistry textbooks or Bible critiques just yet). The robotics stuff is brilliant - coming up with concise watertight rules, and then finding myriad ways of bending them. very Columbo.

Anyone mention Robert Silverberg? Read a novel called "Tower Of Glass" - truly remarkable. Pretty much confirmed that if you pick up a sci fi novel from a certain era, you're going to turn up gold.

I also recommend "The Rose" by Charles Harness. totally beautiful writing / concept. quite short too.

And why oh why oh WHY does Hollywood continue to fail to generate a decent cerebral piece of sci-fi? Maybe then the genre as a whole would get more kudos

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Thanks for the responses, folks. I'll be sure to seek out some of these.

Has anyone read Greybeard?

By the way, I am Legend is being made into a big-budget blockbuster with Will Smith.

Will. Fucking. Smith.

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I KNOW, SCOTT.
why, hollywood. why why why. did you not learn from 'i, robot' that will smith + wonderful sci-fi = obvious recipe for absolute, utter destruction.

"My name is a killing word."

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"I Am Legend" also inspired "The Omega Man" with Charlton Heston in the 70's.

Charlton. Fucking. Heston.

although Planet Of The Apes (book and original film) rules

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they've also made 'next', which is another p.k dick adaptation with nicholas cage in it.

Nicholas. Fucking. Cage.

"My name is a killing word."

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I remember reading years ago that Rama was being made into a film... kinda glad it wasn't.

I read Asimov's Nemesis once, it was OK. Keep meaning to read more.

I just remembered "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a great short story by Arthur C Clarke in a collection called "The Other Side of the Sky", it's got a really eerie ending.