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mirieth- wrote:

i'm almost through with making a murderer, it's really engaging and i can't stop watching it but it really does make you feel like 'whose perspective am i getting' throughout. same can be said whichever way you look at it though really, when do we ever really know the whole truth about anything in cases like this? tin foil hats abound.

rob your edit about virtual juries: scarily believable. that or just the running man.

i've just started making a murder.

on virtual juries - something to be said for the wisdom of crowds?

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making a murder is proof of that, especially now having read more of the internet backlash around it. it's pretty mental!

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They're making a Deadwood movie!

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/07/hb … -happening

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Interesting think-piece on MaM/Serial http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016 … g-murderer

Love Deadwood, that's good news!!!

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holy shit, deadwood film is super exciting news.

SAN FRANCISCO COCK SUKKAH!

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RobxT wrote:

Interesting think-piece on MaM/Serial http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016 … g-murderer

Thanks Rob, really interesting read.

"Give me a prejudice, and I will move the world"

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This is another interesting read on Making A Murderer:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ … -certainty

But what, exactly, is that cause in “Making a Murderer”? As of January 12th, more than four hundred thousand people had signed a petition to President Obama demanding that “Steven Avery should be exonerated at once by pardon.” That outrage could scarcely have been more misdirected. For one thing, it was addressed to the wrong person: Avery was convicted of state crimes, not federal ones, and the President does not have the power to pardon him. For another, it was the wrong demand. “Making a Murderer” may have presented a compelling case that Avery (and, more convincingly, Dassey) deserved a new trial, but it did not get anywhere close to establishing that either one should be exonerated.

The petition points to another weakness of “Making a Murderer”: it is far more concerned with vindicating wronged individuals than with fixing the system that wronged them. The series presents Avery’s case as a one-off—a preposterous crusade by a grudge-bearing county sheriff’s department to discredit and imprison a nemesis. (Hence the ad-hominem attacks the show has inspired.) But you don’t need to have filed a thirty-six-million-dollar suit against law enforcement to be detained, denied basic rights, and have evidence planted on your person or property. Among other things, simply being black can suffice. While Avery’s story is dramatic, every component of it is sadly common. Seventy-two per cent of wrongful convictions involve a mistaken eyewitness. Twenty-seven per cent involve false confessions. Nearly half involve scientific fraud or junk science. More than a third involve suppression of evidence by police.

Those statistics reflect systemic problems. Eyewitness testimony is dangerously persuasive to juries, yet it remains admissible in courts almost without caveat. Some interrogation methods are more likely than others to produce false confessions, yet there are no national standards; fewer than half of states require interrogations to be videotaped, and all of them allow interrogators to lie to suspects. With the exception of DNA evidence (which emerged from biology, not criminology), forensic tests are laughably unscientific; no independent entity exists to establish that such tests are reliable before their results are admissible as evidence.

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Reminds me to once again recommend Central Park Five - more level-headed than MaM (and avoids any "WHO DID IT, YOU DECIDE!" approach, by nature of its contents), and more focused on those systematic issues

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AlexN wrote:

This is another interesting read on Making A Murderer:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ … -certainty

Really interesting, thanks. I think the last paragraph really nails it.

"Give me a prejudice, and I will move the world"

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thencomesdudley wrote:
AlexN wrote:

This is another interesting read on Making A Murderer:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ … -certainty

Really interesting, thanks. I think the last paragraph really nails it.

Yeah I think that's the best thing i've read about it tbh

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AlexN wrote:
thencomesdudley wrote:
AlexN wrote:

This is another interesting read on Making A Murderer:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ … -certainty

Really interesting, thanks. I think the last paragraph really nails it.

Yeah I think that's the best thing i've read about it tbh


Really good.

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Anyone else watching Horace and Pete, the new Louis CK thing? You can download it from his website. It's genuinely the best thing I've seen in a long time.

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new series of Alan Partridge Mid Morning Matters starts next week!!!

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house of cards is back. almost powered through s4 already. marked improvement on s3.

does anyone else watch black sails? the current season is coming to a close and it's been a really good one. ray stevenson as blackbeard is a treat.

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Agreed, I finished House of Cards s4 this weekend and thought it was the strongest since s2. A pretty great show really.

Am keeping up with the latest Walking Dead (why why whywhywhy) and the OJ thing, which is good fun, but could do with something else to get my teeth into.

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really enjoying walking dead still tbh, it had a massive dip after the prison but it's back on track for me. it's just brainless fun (ho ho ho) but that's exactly what i want sometimes. especially as it airs on mondays.

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Last episode of the new x files tonight.  Is probably going to have to be the best thing ever to been shown on television to make up for the rest of the series.  Not sure why i thought it would be any different but it's been terrible. 

Glad to hear good reports of House of Cards - was really disappointed in S3.  The first two were exceptional though.

Mr Gerbik, Half-shark, half-man, skin like an alligator.  Carrying a dead walrus. Check it.

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Yeah true it has picked up!

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unlikely, as it's so obscure, but has anyone seen Stranger Things? surprised more people aren't talking about it.

The Man In The High Castle was great. enjoyed the pilot episode a while back but the whole series didn't disappoint. looking forward to the next series of it.

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Not seen Stranger Things yet myself, but everyone I know goes on about it so feel like I have (lol!).

Watched both Flowers and Fleabag recently, which are both great. Anyone else a fan of these? Loved Flowers in particular, real dark (quite gothic at times) but also enjoyably puerile and entertaining throughout. Also Olivia Colman is amazing in it, the talented bastard.

Putting the chat amongst the pigeons.

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Loved Stranger Things, surprisingly.

I thought the second series of Narcos was great, glad they're doing 3+4.

Favourite thing at the moment is The Night Of, which just all came on Now TV. It's really great and Riz Ahmed is superb in it. Based on the BBC show Criminal Justice.

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just finished the night of, one of the best things i've seen on tv in ages. so many outstanding performances in it and it builds the tension and suspicion really well.

similarly stranger things was wonderful. the last 12-18 months has had some ridiculously strong tv, especially new stuff what with the aforementioned plus show me a hero and narcos.

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Other great thing about The Night Of is that is had a load of The Wire cameos, presumably due to the involvement of Richard Price. Poot, Bodie and Omar in the same show again!

I watched the first episode of Wolf Creek but it didn't really grab me.

Tried to keep up with Outcast but I lost interest and it's really daft.

I liked the second series of Bloodline, even thought the ending was a bit weird.

Does anyone watch Bojack Horseman? I'm really tempted by it as I only hear good things..

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heard lots of good things about bojack yeah, might check it out.

got through five eps of outcast and yeah... silly is the word.

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Need to catch up with Bloodline, I enjoyed the first series

Thought The Night Of was decent but went downhill after the first few episodes, still good overall though

Thought Fleabag was excellent!