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kingmob for the win!

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I can't be arsed to read all these replies but yeah, things are better in Europe but then so is the 'scene'. But really I find these comments bizarre...I've toured staying in hotels and I've toured sleeping in the van. Makes no difference..good people make the good times. Tour is always fun!!!

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lolz
hi steve...2009?

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i think this guy wrote these:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye … alen1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/10 … ypop1.html

what an ungrateful prick

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i will fully admit that i haven't really read any of this thread, past the first page, but if you don't like it here, don't fucking come back. simple as. and yes, i realise that sounds like a daily mail headline, with added profanity. but really... what did you expect people to say? any band touring in order to get 'free beer' wants a dose of reality anyway.

settle down

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gozzo wrote:

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd done 18 dates in the UK. Whether or not it went further north than Leeds.

True. What I'm getting at here is if you're looking for such a large amount of dates in a relatively small geographical space, you're bound to end up scraping the bottom of the barrel at some point. That's amplified by the fact that reputable promoters/collectives in Town X might be too busy to take on the gig, unable to work with the 'guarantee' or whatever else, leaving you in the hands of people who might be good for the money, but not so much the hospitality.

It all comes down to what you want from your tour, I guess. If you want to be a total road warrior covering every conceivable square inch of territory then go for it, but don't complain when things get 'tough'.

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Mike - Persil Booking wrote:

ferries cost a fortune and everything is almost double more expensive...

yeah, damn those diy promoters and their control of prices! i hear kingmob's ferry company is doing well with its inflated prices for shite bands.

But the riff that was made from the base was the heavy, slowly, darkness, and bad feelings.

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not read most of this topic or anything, everyone knows how good mainland europe is.

git some seemed very thankful with the hospitality they had in sheffield. gave them a floor to sleep on, a bottle of whiskey for free, aswell as a cooked hot chilli, and a free pizza each after the gig, they were chuffed. and so was i.

things like free beer aren't possible on some licenced premises, which i explained. and things like "beds" for everyone the same. unless you're gunna kick your housemates out or buy blow ups from argos for £20 a pop! wishful thinking but in an ideal world it would happen! but i dont have the disposible income to buy crap like that and neither does no-one else i dont think. but as long as you seem willing there's never gunna be a problem and there never will be. i mean even mike kinsella never complained when he never got bed to sleep in when he stayed round ours, maybe it was that full english breakfast that compensated. or that pasta bake and those complimentry bananas.

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I have never once received a complimentary banana when you've put on any of my bands Craig. Fuck Sheffield, seriously.

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not only did this thread piss me off pre-pub tonight, reading it again is even worse...

what a patronising fanny, which band was it btw?

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I don't think the guy deserves such a hard time for pointing out the differences in how bands are treated over here and on the continent. I mean, it IS true.....I don't really know why though. Nevermind, eh?

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we as the junior showtime collective, were generally lucky with euro/US bands. we had no complaints, everyone got paid, fed by the old angel, beer too and 99% of the time stayed at my house and were grateful for anything mainly the US bands... bane were the fucking worst, brain dead were gentlemen - heh heh, but they werent much older than my kids then, garrison were splendid, second rate from france broke my shower but we taught him to say cunt..or coont as it sounded...
i know dean lost a shed load when he put git some in lincoln, good gig though!

being this cool is a full time job, you never get the weekends off.

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MagmaTimes wrote:

I don't think the guy deserves such a hard time for pointing out the differences in how bands are treated over here and on the continent. I mean, it IS true.....I don't really know why though. Nevermind, eh?

i think it's more the trite nature of the post. oh and the complete disregard for the effort put in by promoters. touring bands should be greatful for all they get, without promoters putting up with the unwashed, messy gits that are most touring bands eating their food, waking up their housemates and stealing their towels (joe caithness) on a regular basis, there would be no tours and no shows.

i think the bottom line personally is if you didn't get paid enough for petrol then you're either really unlucky and that person won't be putting on shows for much longer OR the more likely scenario is you're just not good enough and no one came to see your band play.

i see so many bands touring that i've never heard of or only have a demo tape out. i applaud the enthusiasm and if they are willing to lose money on the tour and put up with the shit that comes along with that kind of tour then kudos to them but really if a band can't draw enough people so that the promoter can easily pay them around about £50, pay for the venue hire and feed them without losing money then they shouldn't be touring.

for example, we toured europe last year having been a band for about 5 years at that point, our first lp was just released and still some of the shows we didn't get more than 20-30 people, even one gig only about 10 people came. we lost money, we had some shitty night's sleep but we did it for the fun of doing it and at no point did any promoter not do all they could to give us the best time possible and i think the people that thanklessly go through all the crap surrounding putting on shows should get a lot more thanks for that, not bullshit like this thread.

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best thing to come out of this thread is the phrase, "complimentary banana".

'Balls to it'

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is that a banana that tells you your hair looks good or something?

settle down

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no, that would be a metrosexual banana robert.

"the deadening futility of day-to-day life will be temporarily washed away in a flood of blessed and cleansing torment"

so what do vegans eat anyway?!

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skidblue wrote:

not only did this thread piss me off pre-pub tonight, reading it again is even worse...

what a patronising fanny, which band was it btw?

Git Some. But to be honest, I'm sure they be horrified to find their tour booker is now on a UK message board making them look like a bunch of ungrateful fucking cocks.

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Kingmob wrote:
skidblue wrote:

not only did this thread piss me off pre-pub tonight, reading it again is even worse...

what a patronising fanny, which band was it btw?

Git Some. But to be honest, I'm sure they be horrified to find their tour booker is now on a UK message board making them look like a bunch of ungrateful fucking cocks.

My thoughts exactly.... They're actually really nice guys and i'm sure the sentiments expressed by this guy aren't echoed.

'Balls to it'

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like most of you this thread has made me pretty Angry! Id be seriously offended if any of the bands ive put time into helping out turned round and complained about shit that you've mentioned!

I was always into thinking that putting on gigs/helping tours etc was done to help people out and try and give them a good time as well as giving your local scene/friends a good show to go to. The promoters rarely take any money for themselves(i have only taken money to take back what i've already spent on food/venue hire.even then i would usualy take less than i have already spent etc) and try their best to give the bands as much as they can for little to nothing in return(often not even a thank you).

For someone to turn around and to then complain about it when they're having a ball on tour and spending £200 a day on shit when the rest of us have to get up and go to work the next day is a fucking piss take.

"Have you paid your due's Jack?".........."Yes Sir, Cheque is in the mail"

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one thing that i've found positive about this thread however is the number of people that seem to be putting on gigs with the same passion i do. I think its great that there's lots of you out there putting on bands all the time for practically nothing but a good time (that's what its all about yeah?) much respect to everyone that has done this and still puts on shows! its not always fun but i assure you that there are people out there that are fully grateful for the shit you lot put together to give the drunks like me a good time.

"Have you paid your due's Jack?".........."Yes Sir, Cheque is in the mail"

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this thread is an interesting read.

one thing I´m curious about, though...£200 a day??  Would that be including the van rental per day then?  Because if not, what the hell is all that money going into if they were only playing the UK where a 'long' drive is about 4 hours?

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He didn't do any long drives I asked about a scottish date and it was "too far away". The figure he was after when I spoke to him was £300 too, not just £200...

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£200 quid for a gig aint so much if you consider that at least half of that is gonna go on van/driver/backline. Then you've got fuel/ferries/tolls/flights to cover as well.

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Terrible news Mr. Persil, you must've been unfortunate enough to not have found the U.K. promoters we've known for the last 15 years.
We've never got a rough deal like you describe. Then again, maybe we did. But maybe we didn't notice, cuz we, er... didn't fucking care.
Go and do two months in America. You will love it! Especially sleeping rough.
Then make sure you look me up for a gig. It will make a change not to have to cook two meals and open up my family home.
Finally, take everything for what it is - a holiday. You are seeing the world for next to nothing. You may have to dip into your pocket occasionally for your smokes and a latte, but the privilege of being able to go on tour in the first place should be payment in itself.
You've got your old age to be spoon-fed and have your arse wiped.
Or maybe you liked it too much when you started out.

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thread of the year alert


man this guy basically just flopped his tour booking business didnt he