there's must a problem of language, sorry for being italian dudes. what a shame i don't speak english every day like you.
we did not complain a single time on this tour, we were all happy and had blast! england was great, all shows but a couple were great. we met awesome people, lots of sweethearts and each of us flew home with awesome memories. it was a 7 and a half week tour, incl. uk, france, spain, italy, czech republic, slovenia, switzerland, germany, belgium, the netherlands, denmark, norway, hungary and austria. flying to london was a bit cheaper so the tour started and ended there. i spoke to a good number of promoters and got to know a lot how about how they put on shows, their costlist and all the good and bad things about diy shows (if you're into this, you know what i'm talking about). mainland, with the exception of switzerland and scandinavia, is generally cheaper than england. some countries have real expensive highway tolls (spain, france, italy, switzerland), some others don't (slovenia, austria, czech republic, hungary), though.
and you, british promoters, are not the only ones who have to hire venues, cook food and give bands a place to stay. a lot of promoters (me included) hire venues, pay copyrights, cook food / buy drinks or buyouts when they can't cook and often lose shitloads of money for diy shows. is that clear now?
a few, just a few venues in each country are subsidized, usually those with large capacities and diy promoters don't deal with them.
most diy promoters dig deep into their pockets to put on diy shows, whether this includes getting the venue for free or not, feeding the band with shitty food or not, giving bands free drinks or not,giving bands floorspace or beds, hotel rooms and including large breakfasts or just a cup of coffee.touring the uk is also very expensive due to the high prices of ferries.
tickets for a 6,6 m - 9 seat van with 6 people are usually not cheaper than £180-200 round trip.
so you need an extra show to cover that fucking hour and a half. add about 200 euro of daily costs + gas + a lot of merchandise to pay + about $3000 of plane tickets. is that clearer now?
as you can see £200 were not even enough to make it day by day, but that's what i was asking. no highway tolls, short drives, people usually buy a lot of merch so fuck it, let's do it and so we did.
i tried to have a couple shows in scotland but it didn't work out and never asked 300, read your emails more carefully dude.ireland was financially out of reach and i didn't even try. too fucking bad.
we had good and bad shows. 43 out of 52 were financially ok. we slept in youth hostels as well as on ok / cold / dirty floors in squats and houses but we couldn't really care less.we were nice (i think) and thanked everybody cause we've been doing this for ages back home and know what it's about. after touring so many countries differences between england and mainland were evident.
i don't smoke, i don't drink much and basically live real cheap and so they (git some) do. but you all know how £10-15 a day on tour can make the difference..
and i started this new topic just to know the reasons why, that's all. was it too hard to understand? sorry if i sounded rude, shit happens.
however, this thread wasn't really meant to offend you, it was just to know more about these few but very important and relevant differences which were not so relevant to git some - america can be much worse at times - but a lot to me cause i hadn't toured england for so long before.nothing more and nothing less.
we (italians) say asking questions is cool and answering is even cooler.
so my question is..do you always treat / answer people so badly when they ask questions?
have a nice weekend