Re: The third wave of Japanese noise punk

to clarify, what that podcast argues is that the first wave of japanese NOISE CORE was bands like confuse and gai etc, the second wave of NOISE CORE was bands like Gloom etc, and then a third wave of NOISE CORE consist of bands like Exithippies et al. The third wave came about because the style in the second wave was so perfected by, say, Gloom that bands like Exithippies then tried to do something different -hence why for example techno is mixed in.

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I think you can't really understand these bands unless you know their names in japanese. That said, my top ten is:

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in that order, i'd say.

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I have no idea about third and second wave japanese noise punk, but really enjoyed that mix, really intense!

This is another area of music I could see myself getting very nerdy about and spending lots of money on.....

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ciarannn wrote:

I think you can't really understand these bands unless you know their names in japanese. That said, my top ten is:

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in that order, i'd say.

The first Language Dictonary 7" is pretty good, the later stuff kinda sucks.

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check out Voca Protesta - they rule -
organism is a great 12" as is the blowback LP... so many good japanese bands, so little money.

Major Wants : To The Point "mentally checked out' 7"
the Death Dust Extractor 12" & Crisis 7"s at punk prices...
and I do a weird record label http://tadpolerecords.blogspot.co.uk/

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Mr Slobo wrote:
ciarannn wrote:

I think you can't really understand these bands unless you know their names in japanese. That said, my top ten is:

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?????
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in that order, i'd say.

The first Language Dictonary 7" is pretty good, the later stuff kinda sucks.

Well while I will admit that 7" is my favourite, the much-maligned LP (as an example) is itself a very good record, just different.

edit: by the LP, I of course meant ????????

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robbieBAYAREATHRASH wrote:

This is another area of music I could see myself getting very nerdy about and spending lots of money on.....

You don't really want to (for the money part, I mean.)

I made a mixtape with stuff like that on it recently. Next time xJRx is playing round here, come see me and I'll give you a copy.

Also, while I do agree with what the article in question is saying, I just like my Japanese noise crust very traditional.

More power to me.

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Actually the article/podcast is called “third wave Japanese Noise-Core” not “third wave Japanese Noise Punk”.  To the back of the class!

I don’t consider any of those bands as being either Noise Punk or Noise-Core, to my ears they are Crust bands.  The exception being Stagnation who released a split ep, demo tape and appeared on the Tokyo Sound System 2/3, all heavily influenced of Confuse.  Though sadly their last ep (as featured in the podcast) seems to have taken a more crust influence sound and they have moved away from their earlier (and better in my opinion) sound. Cool, but nothing compared to their earlier stuff.

Same goes for the so called “2nd wave of Japanese Noise-Core”, as far as I am concerned all those bands mentioned are CRUST bands, with the exception of Gloom who made quite a special record when they made the recommendation of perdition 12”. To my ears bands like Atrocious Madness bear almost no relation to classics of the genre such as Gai, Confuse, Disorder or the Swankys, who all had superb song writing talent and put out some outstanding records with flawless production values.

If there ever was a “second wave of Japanese Noise-Core” then lets talk about Chaos Ch (Channel), Expose 82/Expose, Order….. 

But I believe I understand the point that Stuart is trying to get across, that there are a new generation of “CRUST” bands in Japan that seem to be taking a more “psychedelic” approach to their sound. Good for them and any improvement/variation of the standard crust sound is good for me as it might stop me from falling asleep when listening to it. I love some of that stuff, some I can’t stand.

But what about the new generation of Noise-Core/Noise Punk bands, who are tipping their hats with respect to the above mentioned classics of the genre. Lebenden Toten (hard for me to believe that Atrocious Madness evolved into such an amazing band), Chaos Destroy, People, Lotus Fucker, Merciless Game, The Swindles, The No Futures and the list goes on ……No Crust, all Punk and lots of Noise!!!! If anyone exemplifies psychedelic noise-core then it must be the No Futures? Insane stuff!

Its really great that Shit-Fi made this podcast of these bands and has exposed such an obscure band as Toxic//Trash to a wider audience. Though whether the bands will agree with me is another story for another day.

As a side note, surely this is a forum where people can express their views and opinions without fear of personal insults. C’mon now kids, less bitching at each other!!! We all have opinions and are very fortunate that we are able to express them. Also we are lucky that we live in the affluent western world where we can obsess about obscure Japanese punk bands (though who knows where the current economic crisis may end, you may be trading your State Children flexi for a bowl of rice). 

Smile, drink beer and listen to Confuse.

Noise Punk

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Seing Framtid at Trashfest whilst fucked up on Dutch made MDMA was an incredible experience.

If you die tomorrow, can you honestly say you've lived?

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LukeWaterIntoBeer wrote:

Seeing Framtid at Trashfest whilst fucked on Dutch beer was an incredible experience.

Major Wants : To The Point "mentally checked out' 7"
the Death Dust Extractor 12" & Crisis 7"s at punk prices...
and I do a weird record label http://tadpolerecords.blogspot.co.uk/

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hey mr wanky - do Merciless Game, The Swindles and The No Futures have vinyl out ? i really like the others you mention and would like to check these guys out if so.

that lotus fucker tape is great.

Major Wants : To The Point "mentally checked out' 7"
the Death Dust Extractor 12" & Crisis 7"s at punk prices...
and I do a weird record label http://tadpolerecords.blogspot.co.uk/

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I'll trade TWO bowls of rice for the State Children flexi. I'll even cook it for you (the rice, not the flexi.)

More power to me.

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spud wrote:

hey mr wanky - do Merciless Game, The Swindles and The No Futures have vinyl out ? i really like the others you mention and would like to check these guys out if so.

that lotus fucker tape is great.

Yes they all have/had vinyl releases, the merciless game a split 7" with a band called Rotouda (or something) and The Swindles/The No Futures a split 7". Merciless game also have a discography cd-r.

I agree, Lotus Fuckers is something very special.

Noise Punk

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The ???????? LP is really underrated! Only the very rare ???? cassette tape from 2001 is better, imho.

Lebenden Toten (hard for me to believe that Atrocious Madness evolved into such an amazing band)

Me too! I really tried to get into A.M. but at the time it sounded like just too much noise, now that band bores me.

I was most impressed by the Caravana Anarquista song, and I want to hear more!

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edited: prolonging a pointless, silly argument

But the riff that was made from the base was the heavy, slowly, darkness, and bad feelings.

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wouldn't it have been easier just to ignore Remi's comment? is it really worth having the last word? actually, i am going to delete your last word(s).

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I really like ATROCIOUS MADNESS. Total Control lp is a fucking killer record, although I'm less convinced on some of the 7"s.

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seconded on Atrocious Madness, that LP is a monster.

fuck off

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Andy Malcolm wrote:

wouldn't it have been easier just to ignore Remi's comment? is it really worth having the last word? actually, i am going to delete your last word(s).

Sorry Andy sad

More power to me.

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Andy Malcolm wrote:

wouldn't it have been easier just to ignore Remi's comment? is it really worth having the last word? actually, i am going to delete your last word(s).

agreed. and sorry remi, i just talk shit a lot of the time - lets hug huh?

as for j-core, i'm loving crow and deathside at zee momento

But the riff that was made from the base was the heavy, slowly, darkness, and bad feelings.

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get back to b c o / v l v morans

HVR

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Jesus this is one of the most boring threads I've ever read

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dracula wrote:

Jesus this is one of the most boring threads I've ever read

Discuss.

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Re: The third wave of Japanese noise punk

So my Japanese hardcore collection consists of Warhead, Framtid, Nightmare, and Gauze.

Now I have just discovered Crude, downloaded them because I will be seeing them twice in Finland, and they are fucking raging!

I think I am going to try Confuse next. The 5 Japanese Hardcore bands I have heard already are fucking great, so it seems I am in for a good ride whilst checking out more of the bands mentioned in this thread.

If you die tomorrow, can you honestly say you've lived?

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Re: The third wave of Japanese noise punk

Sorry to bump a 7 year old thread, but this scene has made somewhat of a resurgence recently with Exithippies making a comeback and restarting their New Smell label and releasing a new volume of Tokyo Sound System (albeit only Exithippies songs – the great third wave Japanese noisecore swindle??) and a new volume of the Noise Circus compilation.

Did anybody pick those up? Exithippies have now totally changed their sound and line-up from primitive Sore Throat worship band mixed with techno to a brutal noisy electronic almost industrial sounding duo, not really my cup of tea and doesn’t really hold a candle to their earlier releases but interesting nonetheless.

Some other more current bands keeping this sound alive are Sun Children Sun, Sow Threat, Kaltbruching Acideath etc…

Any other bands worth noting that are mixing brutal crust or noisecore with some psychedelic influences?