Topic: Post-Hardcore

seriously...  what exactly is "post-hardcore"

it seems to be a bit of a catch-all for people who used to make hardcore but now make "alternative rock" (another meaningless term)

i just don't know anymore??????

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clearly.

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http://www.last.fm/tag/real%20post-hardcore/artists ?????

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Pretty horrible term. I always think Fugazi/Dischord in the late 80s and Gravity records in the 90s, but yeah, bullshit term.

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not really any more bullshit than any other genre. it helps describe bands like texas is the reason pretty well.

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like post- anything, it's the idea of literally coming after another genre's prominence and taking elements of that sound but making something new from it and/or developing it further. pretty simple, surely?

that said all genres are essentialy pretty flimsy in their meaning, especially when it comes to anything related to punk and hardcore given the inherent nature of that kind of music. still, it's 2011 and people will tell you they listen to everything from chillwave to 8-bit to glitch hop with a straight face, so is the term post-hardcore really worthy of derision? i suppose the most obscuring element of understanding what post-hardcore 'is' is the fact that the term is quite overused by mainstream media to describe anything that doesn't sound like the sex pistols that isn't metal. the same thing could be said for many other genres though, in fairness.

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what years is this?

I'm not singing for the future
I'm not dreaming of the past
I'm not talking of the first time
I never think about the last

8 (edited by davidd 08-05-2011 20:44:55)

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I always thought post-hardcore was a pretty fitting term for stuff along the lines of Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu et al but I've probably used it to describe near-everything. Ironically, most of the fourfa types i've encountered on the web don't seem to have the same problem with people calling underoath '3rd wave post hardcore' as they do with calling them '3rd wave emo'. Maybe that makes it a better 'genre name' then, if noone gives enough of a fuck to get all up in arms about this.
Admittedly, I wouldn't be writing this two years ago...

a thug changes and love changes and best friends become strangers word up

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Guys from the original HC bands making rock music which is too hard to be "Indie Rock" I guess.

All proper Emo is essentially "post hardcore", but it's just a term used by lazy journos so is redundant.

When I first got into music when I was like 13 it was being used ALL THE TIME for bands like At the Drive-in, Trail of Dead, Hundred Reasons, Rival Schools....

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did anyone hear that band with dudes from titr, garrison and thursday yet?

http://www.myspace.com/ihateourfreedom

sounds like a bad "tougher" version off garrison or something. bleh

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worst name for a band ever (ihateourfreedom)

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Surely by the same token emo is just as meaningless as a genre name as post-hardcore. It's definitely is misused and it's definitely not the best label around, but as many have said, it's perfect for defining the music by a lot of bands. If anything, my problem would be that from being a term to loosely group together bands that did stuff remotely similar but from a specific background, it definitely has become a lazy term to use when you don't know what to call something.

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can we make "jesus lizardesque" a catch all term for lazy journalists to define bands?

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Emo, was for better or worse, a name to describe a scene which started in the mid 80s and died in the late 90s. Post Hardcore is thrown around by a few journos every other year and never described a time or place in music. Love, Ken Shipley.

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Post-hardcore has nothing to do with The Jesus Lizard, and vice versa.

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I don't necessarily agree. Post-hardcore, at least in its earliest incarnation, did describe something specific. A lot of those first bands were formed by people that in some shape or form had been involved in the hardcore scene before that, hence the term. By extention, I think, it could be legitimate to label bands that since then have done stuff that sounded similar to a lot of those bands.

Still a terribly generic term, though.

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I have been listening to Burning Airlines, PGMG, ATDI and stuff like that a bit, this was probably the first genre I was ever into as there was LOADS of it around 2000ish.

Still would put Burning Airlines in top 10 bands ever, aged really well.

http://metastasisrecords.com/1-6-band-7 … e-download

The 1.6 band ep from last year was actually brilliant? how does this happen and slip by me. Now they are a good post hardcore band.

Like a mix of DC emo and No Means No / Victims Family style weirdo hardcore.. great stuff, the LP  from the 90s is ace too

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Joe C wrote:

I have been listening to Burning Airlines, PGMG, ATDI and stuff like that a bit, this was probably the first genre I was ever into as there was LOADS of it around 2000ish.

Still would put Burning Airlines in top 10 bands ever, aged really well.

Think that first album is good, the second one I'm not so sure about. Definately prefer Jawbox. Still love the first 2 PGMG LPs and Vaya/Relationship of Command.

will check this 1.6 band when I get home.

Sky:Lark (Noisy Post-Hardcore) - http://skylark.bandcamp.com
Man Hands (Fastcore) - http://horsepartyrules.bandcamp.com

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so bored and peeved at haters on atd-i reform thread
they need a fucken appreciation thread, they were such a unique and original, not to mention one of the most energetic and passionate bands of their time.  whatever happens for the reunion justglad they made amends between themselves and can do it, even thou i have dreamt of this day many times of the years still not gonna over hype or diss it, just odd

their foreskins are punker than most bitter crusties whining on here

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I've been hating on the Refused reformation, but only because they set themselves up for such a big fall by proclaiming that REFUSED ARE FUCKING DEAD and putting out wanky films which mostly consist of them telling boring anecdotes/complaining about only playing small venues whilst filming themselves looking moody in a quarry or something.

ATD-I are/were great. I will go and see them if it's not too expensive/not at the garage or the forum. Maybe they'll do an ATP? I reckon that would be bangin'.

Sky:Lark (Noisy Post-Hardcore) - http://skylark.bandcamp.com
Man Hands (Fastcore) - http://horsepartyrules.bandcamp.com

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yea an ATP would be insane, at ally pally, stone's throw from my pad haha, dreamin'
thou i bet it'll be garage/forum/brixton, think i could only decide whether i'd go when tix went on sale i guess, there is always beer if it sux but somehow don't think it will be bad + bootleg shirts! ha

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GUZZARD were a grungey trio on AmRep who then broke up and turned into SNAILS, who then changed their name to WE INVENTED TORNADOES (shit name). Anyway Snails / WIT did a song so good that I could probably listen to it forever, just literally a perfect 2.5 min rocker. Pins And Needles was on a 7" as Snails, they did a CD too as WIT. Dan Beeman is now playing in Helmet I believe.



Random CD I got off Andy M by GAINER proved to end up being one of my fave post-hc albums. Big sound, big tunes, angular without being annoying. http://www.myspace.com/gainer



NO MORE LIES are one of my favourites from that Spanish / BCore scene. Aina and Unfinished Sympathy are good too, but not this good. This isn't NML's best song but it has a video at least:



and I mentioned forgotten grungers OUTHOUSE in another thread, but I'm totally digging them at the moment.



others I can't be bothered to write much about:
Season To Risk
Molly McGuire
Riddle Of Steel
Traindodge
Gunfighter

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not sure entirely where this fits in but i'm looking for an excuse to post it. really good article dissecting 'no kill no beep beep' and the recording/writing of it.

http://terroreyes.tv/feature/behind-q-a … -beep-beep

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awesome album and band, they also killed it live few times I saw them.  cool performance from burn to shine series, should be on youtube

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I guess No Kill No Beep Beep fits as it's on Dischord and comes from a rich heritage of post hardcore.

I hope there is an ATDI ATP that would be groovy.