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with privatisation of RM at least we have plenty of private companies to compare them to. "competitors" like yodel and hermes are dreadful, i am pretty sure we don't want to be lumbered with someone like that in charge of the majority of post.

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Also as someone who has pretty much only worked in the public sector including two local authorities I have an incredible ideological tension between the principle of public sector efficiency (something I think is perfectly attainable) and how sections of it seem to function in practice. This is probably because I've worked in support services (i.e. HR) and not Care, Refuse, Children, Social Work etc

"Give me a prejudice, and I will move the world"

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Ewan, yer full of tory shit.
prices hikes for the customers is not an improved service nor is unstable working conditions for the employees. injecting capital is the governments way of saying 'we can't be arsed giving up our bonuses, perhaps my business partner can do it for a tidy profit?'
I know plenty of posties who are against this, and a few people who's dads were train drivers who were against what happened to them. Private security firms like G4s are under the microscope for fraud. AMbulance services unnaccountable, the NHS... the list is endless...

at the end of the day us plebs are the ones who get screwed over this kind of thing, and your stupid graph doesn't reflect they were held to ransom for a public 'necessity', I mean 'service'.

I read this today and thought it was a nice summary:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com … 03612.html

you still bore me...

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I'm going to be interested to see what happens with rural areas when this happens.

I can drive 10 minutes for one letter sometimes and it'd be very easy to argue that's not a worthwhile thing to do 'financially'. BUT, and call me an old romantic, a lot of rural people actually love seeing the postperson, want to chat, or just say hi, or be comforted that at least someone is going to be visiting that day.

So aside from all financial arguments, this is a service that RM provides and I think it's important.

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Ewan, if you think the price of train travel is fair and/or reasonable then you are insane.

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joet wrote:

I'm going to be interested to see what happens with rural areas when this happens.

I can drive 10 minutes for one letter sometimes and it'd be very easy to argue that's not a worthwhile thing to do 'financially'. BUT, and call me an old romantic, a lot of rural people actually love seeing the postperson, want to chat, or just say hi, or be comforted that at least someone is going to be visiting that day.

So aside from all financial arguments, this is a service that RM provides and I think it's important.

universal service is part of EU law by the way.

32 (edited by thencomesdudley 12-07-2013 09:44:48)

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ewan wrote:
joet wrote:

I'm going to be interested to see what happens with rural areas when this happens.

I can drive 10 minutes for one letter sometimes and it'd be very easy to argue that's not a worthwhile thing to do 'financially'. BUT, and call me an old romantic, a lot of rural people actually love seeing the postperson, want to chat, or just say hi, or be comforted that at least someone is going to be visiting that day.

So aside from all financial arguments, this is a service that RM provides and I think it's important.

universal service is part of EU law by the way.

Complete ignorance here but, that being the case, why is the Government having to invest hundreds of millions in rural broadband and the onus not entirely on BT & other providers to sort it out?

Also when did it become part of EU law because when I worked for a call centre a few years ago some of the companies added significant courier surcharges to more remote areas.

"Give me a prejudice, and I will move the world"

33 (edited by At Home 12-07-2013 13:24:20)

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it only covers 'functional' internet access. i am guessing the gov is pumping money in order to achieve better 'broadband' services beyond the minimum covered in the universal service obligation.

of course there's an EU law on it! ;-)

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At Home wrote:

it only covers 'functional' internet access. i am guessing the gov is pumping money in order to achieve better 'broadband' services beyond the minimum covered in the universal service obligation.

of course there's an EU law on it! ;-)


thats so the CIA/FAS can read EVERYONES emails Maaaaaan!

you still bore me...

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yep, they only invented email because they kept getting paper cuts opening your post.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23282308

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Oliver wrote:

Ewan, if you think the price of train travel is fair and/or reasonable then you are insane.

absolutely. nobody who has to use intercity trains on a regular basis thinks they are anything like good value. regularly £80-£100 london to edinburgh return even booking weeks in advance. rarely anything below £50 london to manchester.

the usual line about 'big discounts for booking in advance' gets trotted out by the industry and politicians whenever anyone criticises, as if its some kind of revelation for anyone. big deal, so virgin sell some £12.50 tickets leaving at 6:30am on a sunday, fantastic. anyone going for football games, gigs, etc can't change when they travel. and why should the railway system make you organise a trip to the seaside 6 weeks in advance? how does that make it any better?

if a band sold an LP for £75, but you could get it for £30 pre-order, £30 is still a rip off.

settle down

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ewan wrote:

175,000 signed the petition for Virgin to keep the West Coast Mainline franchise
40,000 like Bring Back British Rail on facebook

1) a lot do invest. those Virgin trains are well plush

2) but people do want to travel at rush hour. that's why it's rush hour ;-)

it might have helped if, barely a decade after nationalisation, the government hadn't decided to close 1/3 of the lines

3) the fare system is great for non-business users. loads of discounts available for booking off-peak in advance.

4) back to virgin again, surely being willing to go to court shows some commitment to running a train line

In my life as a teenager > the age I am now (26) I have seen the ticket price to get home go up by almost 10 quid. Yet I haven't seen a rise in either inflation or minimum wage to co-incide with that, and no mark-able improvement to the service I used to do this, infact it's gotten busier and busier, so surely for "the average person" value for money is actually going down DOWN based on my experience.

Also the fares make no sense, at times it's cheaper to get a ticket from Nottingham to Birmingham, instead of Derby to Birmingham, even though the train passes through Derby because it has to..

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what was the original price of the train ticket? minimum wage has gone up over 70% since it's introduction which was about when you were a teenager.

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At Home wrote:

what was the original price of the train ticket? minimum wage has gone up over 70% since it's introduction which was about when you were a teenager.

Has it? in real terms?  genuine question.

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

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For Adults it's gone from, about, £3.60 to £6.20?

For <18 it's been quite static.

Edit: Not that this suggests a great deal because £3.60 an hour wasn't a realistic starting point and equates to about £7k a year gross.

"Give me a prejudice, and I will move the world"

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Joe C wrote:
At Home wrote:

what was the original price of the train ticket? minimum wage has gone up over 70% since it's introduction which was about when you were a teenager.

Has it? in real terms?  genuine question.

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

no nominally, but i'm guessing you weren't talking real terms either so i just didn't understand what you were trying to compare. i'm sure you're right in the fact that train fares have gone up in real terms. adult rate of minimum wage i'm even less sure about, would be interesting though.

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At Home wrote:
Joe C wrote:
At Home wrote:

what was the original price of the train ticket? minimum wage has gone up over 70% since it's introduction which was about when you were a teenager.

Has it? in real terms?  genuine question.

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

no nominally, but i'm guessing you weren't talking real terms either so i just didn't understand what you were trying to compare. i'm sure you're right in the fact that train fares have gone up in real terms. adult rate of minimum wage i'm even less sure about, would be interesting though.

Well I wasn't complaining from my own experience, just pointing out I noticed a rise.. whether or not I personally was receiving min wage at the time is kinda irrelevant.

Ironically I have to go catch the train to my rents now!

44 (edited by xleox 19-07-2013 09:21:24)

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Since this thread has d-railed onto trains (no pun intended) i've no quarms about posting this article where it seems our Lib-Con Leaders want to suck your blood for a healthy profit... worse than vampires I tell ya!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 18029.html

If you can't be bothered reading it all, at least scroll down to the end and see what other public sectors they're selling off. cunts.

you still bore me...

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http://www.blood.co.uk/news/statements/ … or-profit/

Blood from UK donors is not sold for profit

Blood donors may be concerned by articles they are reading in the media regarding the sale of a government owned company called Plasma Resources UK Limited (PRUK) and be under the impression that NHS Blood and Transplant sells blood collected by volunteer donors for a profit. This is not the case.

NHS Blood and Transplant collects blood from donors in England and North Wales and, after processing and testing, supplies the components (red cells, platelets and frozen products) to hospitals in these areas. We supply blood components on a not-for-profit basis by setting prices that recovers our costs only. Due to safety concerns regarding vCJD NHS Blood and Transplant is unable to use the plasma from blood collected in the UK, except in very limited circumstances, and the plasma is therefore incinerated.

PRUK consists of two companies, the Bio Products Laboratory (BPL) at Elstree in the UK and DCI in the USA. DCI collects plasma from donors in the USA which, unlike plasma from the UK, is deemed safe from vCJD. A significant proportion of this plasma supply is then sent to BPL where it is fractionated into blood proteins such as immunoglobulins, clotting factors and albumin for supply to NHS hospitals, as well as other health services across the world. The Department of Health has announced that it is seeking private sector investment in PRUK through the sale of the majority or all of the shares in the company.

We would therefore like to reiterate that PRUK is a separate business, owned by the government, and is not part of NHS Blood and Transplant. Neither the blood from our donors, nor the resulting blood components, are supplied to PRUK.

Health Minister Dr Dan Poulter has made the following statement about the sale of Plasma Resource UK:

"It is important to be clear about the Government's plans to sell all, or part, of the state-owned plasma company PRUK. This company is completely separate to NHS Blood and Transplant and plays no role in blood donations or organ supply - there is no intention to sell NHS Blood and Transplant. Ministers have made clear the huge debt of gratitude owed to all those who freely donate blood to the NHS.

"UK blood donations are not used to make PRUK products. Ever since the emergence of vCJD ("mad cow disease") the medical advice is not to use UK blood in manufacturing for plasma products. PRUK is already a commercial business and the majority of its staff already work in the private sector. We are taking this action to secure a viable future for the company and its employees in the long term and to ensure that patients will continue to have access to high quality medical products."

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you just don't get it do you ewan??

"She said the Coailtion deal undervalued the company adding: "Plasma supplies have a long record of being operated on a not for profit basis, using voluntary donors where all the necessary checks take place. The difference with a commercial firm is that they will want to have as many donors as possible and be looking to secure large profits first and foremost.

"This amounts to the government abandoning UK blood products users to the tender mercies of the cheapest supplier." "

Their aim is to encourage people to SELL THEIR BLOOD, but instead of it going to the NHS, go to some shitbag multi-corp. Bloods not a commodity.

life must be so nice for you down there in the suburbs....

you still bore me...