Re: Politically ambiguous black metal

That video is weird...not that I don't dig some of those bands a bit...but it's strange to hear a lot of these guys speaking about the individualism of their projects within the context of UKBM when so much (if not all) of that music is still a fairly direct aping of European metal made in the last 20 years or so.  There is just no getting around it.  I don't care how much you've researched the materials that bombs were made out of: you'd never be wearing your 'war paint' and playing in front of sandbags and barbed wire or invoking the heritage and folklore of your country, or even singing in the way you are were it not for a conscious decision made at some point to simply transpose the exact aesthetic preoccupations and methods of your favourite bands into things more relevant to the United Kingdom.  It's a sad thing, but that seems like 100% of the genuine creative process.  I suppose it's no new thing that the distinctions between bands within a sub sub sub genre of music fall to minutiae, but nonetheless it seems to belie the obvious intelligence and grounded mindsets of these people to be blowing smoke up each others buttholes.  Too bad.

I met the drummer of one of these groups once and when I asked about his band he said 'it just sounds like Hate Forest'.  I guess you can't really make a documentary out of that though?

Re: Politically ambiguous black metal

DUNCAN wrote:

if not for a conscious decision made at some point to simply transpose the exact aesthetic preoccupations and methods of your favourite bands into things more relevant to the United Kingdom.  It's a sad thing, but that seems like 100% of the genuine creative process.  I suppose it's no new thing that the distinctions between bands within a sub sub sub genre of music fall to minutiae

That sums up how I feel about "underground" music in general - except you can replace "relevant to the United Kingdom" with some other minor point of departure de jour (Australian accent, a synth playing one finger melodies, a singer with an interesting personal history, long hair, short hair, no hair, interesting subsection of identity politics etc.). Not that I mind genre bands as a rule, at least you know exactly what you're in for.

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Re: Politically ambiguous black metal

The UKBM scene isn't really up to much is it? Most of those bands are remarkably dull. That seems very much to be a more "overground" view of your black metal scene really, and it's telling that Candlelight get mentioned as a home for many of the bands - that label lost its' credibility years ago.

Interesting that there's little to no mention of Satanism or Occultism in that documentary in terms of lyrical content, in favour of nature and WW2. Which suggests some fairly basic points have been missed by many of the participants.


That Eastern Front band..jesus.

And are Hecate Enthroned really being held up as an example of an "influential" UK black metal band?

Re: Politically ambiguous black metal

johnbearandrews wrote:

I bet the Romans were always going on about how these bloody Anglo Saxons were coming over here and diluting their culture. Does anyone want to start a Roman Heritage Black Metal band? At least then we can use Vs instead of Us and not be called hipsters.

I always think the Jutes got a raw deal regarding credit for displacing the Britons, especially round Kent(core) way.

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