Topic: Politically ambiguous black metal

So I'm looking for some input from the esteemed black metal fans of the board.

I've been listening to a particular LP of sort of pagan BM recently and started investigating the lyrics and motifs. Read quite a few interviews, and although the band haven't said anything dodgy in those, and the lyrics are sort of fantasy / mythology, and they aren't affiliated with anything politically dodgy that I can see - they do use some imagery that's pagan/runic/heraldic in origin but has also been used by the far right. (lightning bolts, wolf's hook, sun cross.) They talk about these in mythological terms, and have said explicitly that their use of the wolf's hook idea refers to the physical object that was used to trap wolves centuries ago.

None of the interviewers or articles in the metal online world have really seen fit to ask or comment about the tainted history of some of their imagery, so I'm wondering if this is just less of a hot topic in metal, so they don't feel the need to issue disclaimers. Would I be kidding myself to think that it's politically unaffiliated? I know a lot of actual NSBM bands have soft-pedalled their "message"...

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same as with all that hipster shit on southern lord and that, they are probably aware of the 'tainted' nature but enjoy playing with it, like the ambiguity is part of thier schtick. but as far as i'm concerned if it's not something they're against then i'm against them. anytime you confront them or thier apologist nut swingers you'll get dragged into some wack circular logic bullshit or some shit about a heritage that isn't even thiers. there might even be some examples of this shit on here. fuck 'em, fuck 'em, fuck 'em

I'm not singing for the future
I'm not dreaming of the past
I'm not talking of the first time
I never think about the last

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Why not let us know the band's name?

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Winterfylleth? Simon's arsebook was a riot of poorly digested English "cultural nationalism", and crude Islamophobia, didn't one of them post als some 14 words related stuff for a laugh? Them or not, ambiguous "pagan" BM can do one, yellow bellied fascists, the worst kind, at least, have the courage of your opinion.

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I didn't name the band because I didn't feel well enough informed yet to be linking their name with the far right on messageboards...

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aramcheck wrote:

Winterfylleth? Simon's arsebook was a riot of poorly digested English "cultural nationalism", and crude Islamophobia, didn't one of them post als some 14 words related stuff for a laugh? Them or not, ambiguous "pagan" BM can do one, yellow bellied fascists, the worst kind, at least, have the courage of your opinion.

Apparently they specifically ask for a white soundman on their gig riders too

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Goatboy wrote:
aramcheck wrote:

Winterfylleth? Simon's arsebook was a riot of poorly digested English "cultural nationalism", and crude Islamophobia, didn't one of them post als some 14 words related stuff for a laugh? Them or not, ambiguous "pagan" BM can do one, yellow bellied fascists, the worst kind, at least, have the courage of your opinion.

Apparently they specifically ask for a white soundman on their gig riders too

Who would even deal with that in good faith?

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how is posting 14 words related shit being 'ambiguous'?

I'm not singing for the future
I'm not dreaming of the past
I'm not talking of the first time
I never think about the last

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fucking hell - I gave one of their CDs a good review too - what a pillbox

fuck this band, hope some hung nigger fucks them in the collective ass

Added: 20-04-2014 17:51:12

anyone want a Winterfylleth CD?

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Grady wrote:

hope some hung nigger fucks them in the collective ass

wasn't expecting that one when i opened this thread tbh

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In the collective zone?

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Grady wrote:

fucking hell - I gave one of their CDs a good review too - what a pillbox

fuck this band, hope some hung nigger fucks them in the collective ass

Added: 20-04-2014 17:51:12

anyone want a Winterfylleth CD?

Which one is it? There's this BM knacker at my local I have words with on occasion regarding Winterfylleth and Wodensthrone etc and cultural identity. Wouldn't mind some more ammo to lob at him.

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Where does this white sound man stuff actually come from? Would be interested to know.

I have no doubt that deep down they probably just aren't big fans of brown folk when it comes to their feelings as individuals, but there is a shit ton of interview stuff which pretty directly comments on what their stance is as a band, or at least what they'd like you to believe is the case.  It isn't hard to find at all and is probably worth checking out before forming an opinion based on the generalised talk happening right now.  You can still hate them if you don't like what you find and it doesn't change the fact that their music is guff one way or the other.

It's funny how this kind of thing can cause stirs when closer to home.  Everyone seems to agree that political dodginess in black metal is as old as the hills and many people don't seem to have a problem listening to these bands so long as they're exotic and from outside the UK. Take a band from Manchester though and it's all cause for outraged boycotting!!

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aramcheck wrote:

Winterfylleth? Simon's arsebook was a riot of poorly digested English "cultural nationalism", and crude Islamophobia, didn't one of them post als some 14 words related stuff for a laugh? Them or not, ambiguous "pagan" BM can do one, yellow bellied fascists, the worst kind, at least, have the courage of your opinion.

Manchester's darlings.  In a now dead forum there was plenty of drama around this band and the efforts the frontman went to to hide/ torturously explain everything away.

Added: 21-04-2014 22:01:04

Stout wrote:
Grady wrote:

fucking hell - I gave one of their CDs a good review too - what a pillbox

fuck this band, hope some hung nigger fucks them in the collective ass

Added: 20-04-2014 17:51:12

anyone want a Winterfylleth CD?

Which one is it? There's this BM knacker at my local I have words with on occasion regarding Winterfylleth and Wodensthrone etc and cultural identity. Wouldn't mind some more ammo to lob at him.

"english heritage black metal"

Short version, all the trappings of a nsbm themed band (sunwheels iron crosses) odd reference to the 14 words, and plenty of those famous "explanations" that contradict themselves that they're not against multiculturalism/ whatever, and it's "just about englands cultural identity" etc etc

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Its the Thernody of Triumph

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DUNCAN wrote:

Where does this white sound man stuff actually come from? Would be interested to know.

I was at an all dayer they were part of at The Fighting Cocks, a friend I ran into told me he heard that from the person doing sound on the day.  So yeah, admittedly I got that information second hand but that's where I got that from.

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Goatboy wrote:
DUNCAN wrote:

Where does this white sound man stuff actually come from? Would be interested to know.

I was at an all dayer they were part of at The Fighting Cocks, a friend I ran into told me he heard that from the person doing sound on the day.  So yeah, admittedly I got that information second hand but that's where I got that from.

Ah, well seems solid enough. Fucking hilarious...

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Lol
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Going to get my semiotics dictionary out for that one.

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The rest of the forum is quite entertaining too. A storm front kindergarten

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Recipes???

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crème fraiche? FUCK THE NORMANS!

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Stormfront has developed it's own Linux based OS called Apartheid

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t786671/

Feels wrong linking to that place. Remove it if you want. Idk.

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Andy Malcolm wrote:

crème fraiche? FUCK THE NORMANS!

Olive oil and Lardons too.

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Potatoes - South American foreign muck.